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BillyFontaine's avatar

When the dems screwed Bernie, that was infuriating. I switched to Independent. Now I guess I’m going green, as futile as we know it is, at least it’s a choice of a real person of integrity. Talk about trying to fight “city hall”, the dark side has captured pretty much the whole of the country, and apparently the world as well. Maybe Pauline should invite Mr West on her podcast! ☮️❤️🌎

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Pauline P Schneider's avatar

I really liked his interview.

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Gary Hoover's avatar

Cornel West is a much needed prophetic voice in politics and culture. He speaks from the depths of Black experience and spirituality in the USA, and that is important now also. He rightly notes that we are currently stuck with “the neofascist catastrophe” on the one hand, and “the neoliberal disaster” on the other. These two factions both respond to the competing elites, and so are actually getting more like each other all the time.

I notice also that Cornel West is aware of ecological and civilizational collapse.

Collapse awareness and acceptance - in the USA, at least - remains centered on white and mostly wealthy experience and narratives. We actually define collapse and extinction exclusively through the lenses of various white paradigms - what we normalize as “science” and “reason” for example. We also often focus on the loss of personal security and comfort for the relatively well-off while minimizing the fact that other species and non-white and poor humans have been experiencing collapse for a very long time and continue to do so in much more extreme ways than those in “developed” nations.

Ecocide continues as we jettison the poor and the Global South, but that is seldom talked about in collapse circles. Human genocide is ongoing and accelerating, as is the broader ecocide that human genocide is but one manifestation.

If we are to create any sort of beloved community in these times we need to include and center people and voices who have been excluded and marginalized.

We are out of time, energy, and materials to make any kind of soft landing. We need to prepare for impact as civilization tears itself apart. And the bigger collapse - ecological collapse - will likely overtake the collapse of civilization.

Cornel West at least appeals to people to take a path that is less violent and more loving and just.

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Pauline P Schneider's avatar

Agree 100%. If we could implement a kind of Planetary Hospice- housing for our homeless, universal healthcare, a basic living wage, amnesty for cannabis users and sellers, etc, we might create a more compassionate society, a gentler exit.

However, there are so many with hardened hearts, I wonder if it’s even ever possible to raise the minimum wage.

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Gary Hoover's avatar

Yes, we are down to “speaking truth to power” without much hope to make an impact toward creating any broadly shared “just collapse.” The mystic in me believes strongly that the prophetic imagination and voice are as vital in this context as in any. Those who hear the call will find themselves strengthened in a way that comes from recognizing that others are in solidarity with them, as well as the fact that some few folks will awaken. Depending and widening our circles of compassion are - if anything - more important as we experience collapse. Outcomes will be what they are. As violence increases, we must nurture love and justice all the more.

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